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    • CommentAuthorBlondie9
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2009
     
    Knoweslittle
    I don't no who Redfox is he said he got on the bus at slate branch but that don't ring a bell.
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    Blondie9, I'm not going to try to figure redfox out any more--he obviously doesn't want us to know who he is. I hope he keeps posting because he knows a lot of things about the "good ole days"
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    I called David Rogers about any pictures he might have at the studio of the Ferguson school. He has only one picture, and it's of the school that was made in the 50's sometime. I told him when I had time I wanted to look at it. He doesn't have any pictures there made in the 60's.
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    Coach O and I Remember:
    If you would like to compose some type of story describing how this revival of interest on Ferguson School began, I can probably submit it to our local paper, and get it published. I was thinking that it might reach those who don't own computers who may have an interest in the school. We could include that wonderful picture of the school campus, and maybe a picture of the two of you. I would go ahead and do the story myself, but I may not know all of the details, dates, etc. What do you think?
    • CommentAuthorSunshine
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2009
     
    You all would be proud of me. I actually acomplished something this morning. I cleaned my refrigerator and stove. Took me all morning. You are right about Redfox. He said he lived in Saline and worked at Cumberland Wood and went to Church at Oak Hill. Maybe we should all attend this Sunday. LOL Still probably couldn't pick him out. I think I am going to give up too. Wish he would register on here but I don't think he will. I did figure out how to open up several tabs so I can jump back and forth .
    • CommentAuthorI Remember
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2009
     
    HomeTown Girl:
    I think that is a great idea. It might help persuade some of the older ones to talk to us. At least they would know we were legitimate. I, sincerely think Knowitall9 should be included also.If not for him we would never have gained as much info,especially in the beginning, as we have collected.
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    I Remember,
    Maybe you and Coach could get together or email back and forth to get something together. I might make some suggestions later, but, as I said, you guys know more about the details. I know that there are a lot of people who just read the Topix thread, and never post. I was one of those, reading it from the beginning, and checking it everyday. We need to encourage them to get involved. Then there are those who, as you said, may be older, and reluctant to venture on here. They could have invaluable information on the history of the school and the community.
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    I Remember,
    Of course, I think it would be a good idea to include Knowitall9. He does know a lot of people and remembers details that have been long forgotten by others. Too, I'm aware that he only lies if he has to!
    • CommentAuthorBlondie9
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2009
     
    I haven't done anything except watching history being made.I have taped all of the Inauguration of President Barack H. Obama.Wasen't my choice but he is my president and i hope him the best.I think our country should come together and work for the good of our country.If we don't i am very worried.
    • CommentAuthorJulia1
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2009
     
    Thats all I've done all day too. We definitly made History today. Obama wasn't my choice either, however we got him for our leader and everyone does need to come together and I hope they will. I have a good feeling that he will do just fine running our country. He will be in my prayers every night.
    • CommentAuthorI Remember
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2009
     
    Am I the only one who voted for him? Hillary was my pick in the Primary ! But I voted for Obama in the general election. I hate the war, but most of all ,I hate how our soldiers are being treated,both Active and the Disabled. I believe President Obama will end the war in Iraq!
    • CommentAuthorSunshine
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2009
     
    I Remember:

    I just sent you a desktop wallpaper. See if you got it yet? I think you will like it.
    • CommentAuthorI Remember
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2009
     
    Sunshine:
    I would probably like it,if I could open it !
    • CommentAuthorSunshine
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2009
     
    Still want let you open anything? Wonder what is wrong? It was a pic of cardinals in Winter.
    • CommentAuthorJulia1
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2009
     
    I Remember- did you watch any of the Innaugural today? I was concerned about Obama growing up in his Muslim belief. However, all during the political race, I listened to all his speeches, and realized he made alot of sense in most of what he said. I have prayed ever since he was elected. we have so many hot headed nut cases in our world. I was concerned for his safety today too. His speech today was very touching. I truly feel he is going to be ok running our country. All we can do is to pray for God to guide him in the right direction. I see you all have had no luck getting red ryder and redfox over here to our forum. Maybe they will alittle later.
    • CommentAuthorCoachO
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2009
     
    Ferguson Proud :
    Redd Ryder asked you last night to use your vast connections to find out something about Woody Gosser. I have a more practical question that relates to our discussion about the closing of Ferguson School. Over the next several days, why don't you see what you can find out about how some of these schools like Monticello manage to stay open. During the 1966-67 year, at the end of which the state announced it was closing Ferguson School after a 12 month phasedown, Ferguson operated from a 17 million dollar tax base, much of which came from the parts of the railroad property Somerset had not yet managed to gerrymander. The state said that was not sufficient for a 1-12 school with 250 students, 100 in high school. OK. Now, 40 years later, Monticello has 200+ students, 100 in high school. It has a 6 million dollar tax base. Now, in 40 years, 17 million dollars does not go as far as it did in 1966. Six million most certainly does not go very far. Yet nobody talks about forcing Monticello to close. Nor do they talk about closing Barbourville, Williamsburg, Lynn Camp, Pinedale, or Burgin, none of which have even a 10 million dollar tax base NOW.

    So how do these schools stay open when Ferguson was forced to close? Proud, there's a story here. Anderson Cooper or Christine Amonapour could dig into this and find some very interesting undercurrents.

    Wonder how much of this story WE could uncover at this late date ? Sure wish Ralph Duncan were still with us. Mr. Overbey is. Is Mr. Burton (father of Gene and Larry) still alive ?
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    Scarlett,
    Where are you? Strolling around Tara this evening? You know so many people around town. Can you help everyone figure out who Redfox is? They have been talking with him on the "Old Stores" thread. If you have time, go over there, read the comments, and start making your guess.
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    Coach O

    Mr Burton, also known as John T. Burton owns and operates "All Season Lawn Equipment" on N Main Street, Gene also works there.
    • CommentAuthorI Remember
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2009
     
    QVC Gal:
    If you read his books,you will discover, that He was never of Muslim Faith ! If you read and understand the Koran,you will discover that it teaches Love, not Stupidity.If you learn about the Muslim Beliefs, you will discover that it is very close to Judaism!
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    Hometown Girl

    i haven't been strolling around, i've been looking for prissy. Have you seen her?
    • CommentAuthorJulia1
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2009
     
    I Remember
    I have read alot about him and intend to get some of his books to read. I would also like to get the book about Michele Obama. My friend in Indiana is reading it now, and says it's really interresting. My husbands parents were brought up Cathholic and Anglecan and I noticed they had the Koran at their house too. There were lots of Muslims in Victoria, and I did learn that most of them hated Americans. I just hate seeing so much hate in our country.
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    Scarlett,
    No, I haven't seen Prissy. She won't be able to help you though, if you're delivering a baby tonight. She don't know nothin' bout birthin' babies!
    • CommentAuthorRedd Ryder
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2009
     
    Scarlett & Hometown :
    It's obvious you two ladies are really looking for your own personal Rhett. Our Kentucky version of Rhett is Rogue. If you didn't copy them down three thousand posts ago, Knowitall9 can give you directions to Rogue's lake house. He also has talked to Rogue's housekeeper and can describe a tree in the middle of the lake out from his dock. You won't even have to tear down your curtains to make a dress. Just clear a day on your busy schedule, go pay him a visit., and report back to all of us. We also hear his red Corvette is a lot more durable than that poor horse in Gone With The Wind. A word of warning, however : if you come back with any good pictures of Rogue, I Remember is liable to be pretty jealous. She still checks her driveway several times a day hoping to see that Corvette.
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    Coach you are confusing me. Part of your comments would appear that you are saying Fergsuon had a 17 million dollar tax base in 1968. I don't know what the tax base was in Ferguson in 1968. I was 12 years old. but I suspect that number seems high for 1968. Then you talk about Monticello having a 6 million dollars tax base in 2009. You know that can't be right. The Wal-mart property in Monticello which I believe is in the city school district would be more that 6 million alone. The strip center on main street is worth more than that as well. Plus all the fast food and national and regional stores. Where did you get the 6 million dollars figure? Your numbers don't sound right. You need to get annual operating budgets on the schools and compare those. I am assuming when you are using the term tax base that you are making reference to the total property value or base, that the school tax is caluculated from. However none of that would be a direct indication, you would need to compare apples to apples so you look at operation expenses per student in 1968 dollars for each school to get a clear picture. There is also state appropriation, federal assistance and even private dollars that many times are associated small school districts, in 1968 these could have made substainsal impacts on small schools. Plus there is no way of going back 40 years and knowing the political climate, the amount of debt s ervice and deferred maintenance figures associated with the decision to close Ferguson. Mr. Burton is still alive. But I have no interest in resaearching the data or contacting him. The decision was made 40 years ago, and it doesn't matter if everyone on this website disagrees with the decision made back then. To quote a friend of mine. "It is what it is".
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    Coach, you might want to google Monticello Schools, you would see their enrollment is far larger than what you stated.
    • CommentAuthorCoachO
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2009
     
    Proud :
    No, the numbers are correct.
    l. Ferguson had lost a large chunk of its tax base when Somerset cleverly gerrymandered most of the railroad property plus the factory just south of the school so those taxes went to Somerset (which was actually illegal, since no school district can annex an "island" inside another district). However, Ferguson still retained some railroad property, and thanks mostly to coal traffic, it was still generating lots of revenue. So, yes, Ferguson had an assessed evaluation of $17 million. That was not as high as Somerset or Danville, but it was certainly enough to run a 250 student school. Now, it wasn't '68. It was for the 66-67 year, which was when the state announced it was imposing a one year phase down.
    2. Monticello theoretically has a business district, but almost all the storefronts are empty. There's not much tax base left in downtown Monticello. Everything on the fringe of town is within the county district. The six million dollar figure comes from the state department of education district assessment tables.
    3. You are correct in that state and federal money inflate a school's operating revenue. However, the state disregards that when it decides whether a school is viable or not. Ferguson would have qualified for state and federal revenue, too. Since it had a larger tax base, it would have qualified for more state and federal revenue.
    4. Ferguson had very little debt service. The school and gym had been long paid for. The newer administrative - home ec building was still being paid off, but was half paid off by '66, and had not been an expensive building to begin with. It alone would not have been a problem.
    5. Of course, it doesn't matter in terms of changing the decision. But don't you have any curiosity about how that decision came about and why numerous schools with much lower financial bases were allowed to remain open. I mean, we can't change the outcome of the American Revolution, either, but we still study it. Those who don't learn the lessons of their own history are doomed to repeat their mistakes.
    • CommentAuthorCoachO
    • CommentTimeJan 20th 2009
     
    Proud :
    You're right. Monticello does have more students than my original figures. But that does not improve their numbers. It makes them worse. Their budget does not increase, so they have to spread it over more students, so they have LESS dollars per student. So I still don't understand how them and schools like them stay open.
    • CommentAuthorI Remember
    • CommentTimeJan 21st 2009
     
    Julia:
    Hate is spread through ignorance ! To hate someone or something is caused by fear,and lack of understanding.To understand you must first learn about it. When I say learn,I am not talking about learning by reading " Tabloids" or Gossip magazines. Do you think all Muslims are the same? Are all Christians the same? There are radicals in every religion. How about the White Supremacist group,or the KKK,that kill ,bomb,rape,burn and torture innocent people,simply because of their color,race or religion. All done in the name of " Jesus" Are all Christians like this? Are the majority of Christians like this? Of Course Not !! Neither are all "Muslims" I am certainly not Muslim,but I have studied " World Religions" The operative word here is " Studied" not read. Change causes people to do terrible things.Change causes fear,afraid of the Unknown.But the only thing in life that is permanent, is Change!
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    Empty buildings do not affect the property tax value. The larger the enrollment, the larger the state assistance, schools are funded on average daily attendance. Have you ever heard of the term economy of scale, the larger the less cost per student they could operate with given many of the fixed cost, adminstration, personnel, utilities would be virtually the same for 300 students versus 600 students I know you are quoting figures from your education distict assessment tables, which I have never heard of. But, I have got enough basic knowledge to know that the property value inside the Monticello School District would have to be far greater than 6 million dollars. A new 30,000 nicely constucted new commerical building would be about 6 million dollars by itself. And you will never convince me that 6 million is the total property value. Also the property value in Ferguson in 1960's at 15 million seems high to me but then again I was kid. It does not make a hill a beans difference to me. As my friend says "it is what it is".
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    I have know many of you since I was child and I have really enjoyed our trip down memory lane. I have always valued our friendship and will continue to do so and wish you nothing but continued success in the development of your website. It is a great way to document a time when life seemed carefree and happy for us. I know all of you have achieved great accomplishments in your careers and more importantly closeness in the families and friends you have surrounded yourself with. I personally have a problem with sharing my memories with some who continue to stay in a cloud of secrecy and seem overly focused on the demise of Ferguson School. I would have been proud to have graduated from Ferguson, that is why I chose my name. However, the school closed and it seemed to have affected some for life. In my closing words let me give you this for thought. The closing of Ferguson School while sad, gave us a unity that no one can take away from us. In some ways it gave more that it took. Just look at the close relationships you still have with those who it affected. Be happy and be focus on the positive things, in short be Ferguson Proud.